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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Mar 2018 - 18:13 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davehumphrey) | | | Just remember,there is a Torque spec on both the nut on the long bolt that passes thru the swing arm AND that cone nut inside the swing arm,meaning,ya do NOT wanna over tighten either of em  as that could have catastrophic consequences!!  In other words,the flat file and adjustable is NOT how ya torque that cone nut.Plus,I don't think ya really wanna make the wife HAPPY,DO YA???????????
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 30 Mar 2018 - 19:12 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davetac1) | | | davetac1 wrote:
Just remember,there is a Torque spec on both the nut on the long bolt that passes thru the swing arm AND that cone nut inside the swing arm,meaning,ya do NOT wanna over tighten either of em as that could have catastrophic consequences!! In other words,the flat file and adjustable is NOT how ya torque that cone nut.Plus,I don't think ya really wanna make the wife HAPPY,DO YA??????????? |
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Dave, you have been used too work by manuals all your life, and they probably are like bibles to you. Sometimes you have to look beyond the manual, and take a critical view of what is written in the manual.
In this case, when i look at how the frame is build, how it is attached to the rear of the motor, the distance from the motor attachment to the swing arm bolt, it makes absolutely no difference, if the cone nut is torqued by 3.4. or 5 Nm. It will not distort the frame. Triumph had to write something into the manual, and they choose to state 4 Nm. It's a choice, not a critical number.
If you read my earlier post, you would notice, that there is room for a lot of over torque of the bolt, without it to fail, although it is not recommended. The internals of the swing arm though may be damaged, if the bolt is over torqued.
PS. How do you use a file to make the missus happy ??
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| | Post edited by Slcharger on 30 Mar 2018 - 19:14 |
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Mar 2018 - 02:58 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: Slcharger) | | | I give up! How do ya use a file to make the missus happy?????????????? The SM is a guide for something that we would be unfamiliar with, and experience has taught me NOT to follow it to the letter.So we are in total agreement ! Dave!!!
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,524 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 31 Mar 2018 - 03:14 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davetac1) | | | Dave, what do you care... riding a foreign bike. 
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| | | fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 31 Mar 2018 - 03:49 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
I give up! How do ya use a file to make the missus happy?????????????? The SM is a guide for something that we would be unfamiliar with, and experience has taught me NOT to follow it to the letter.So we are in total agreement ! Dave!!! |
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get back in your wigwam
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Remember, soft cocks hang around all life long, hard ones come and go
ahh f**k im deep
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| | | davehumphrey | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/03/2018 | | Posts | : | 18 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 31 Mar 2018 - 04:09 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davetac1) | | | Hi again
Thanks for the reply.
I am having it done by my Triumph for free. I think that is the right thing to do. 
Thanks Dave
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| | | davehumphrey | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/03/2018 | | Posts | : | 18 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 06 Apr 2018 - 12:35 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davehumphrey) | | | I have just picked up my bike from my Triumph dealer.
I asked how far out was the inner bolt that adjust the swinging arm and they told me about three turns! "another words a bloody long way out" Obviously it was never set up correctly in the first place "So not very good"
That is probably the reason the bolts broke with the bolt pulling the frame in is under constant strain.
My dealer said they are going to check all the Thunderbird's when they come in for repairs or service in case it happens to anyone else. "They are genuinely concerned "Nice to hear someone cares"
When I originally contacted Triumph UK I asked if the is an adjustment and they did not say there was! 
If they had told me I would have checked it out.
Even when I was in contact with Triumph Melbourne they did not tell me anything? "Is this loss of memory or Don't care?"
If you own a Thunderbird I would advise you to check this or have it checked!
If you do it yourself please torque it as per the spec's.
Do not use a file ether make a tool as shown back through these post's or buy the proper tool from Triumph. 
Thanks to all who have participated in this forum.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 06 Apr 2018 - 12:52 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davehumphrey) | | |
davehumphrey wrote:
Do not use a file ether make a tool as shown back through these post's or buy the proper tool from Triumph.
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You have been hanging out to much with the technicians from Triumph.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Apr 2018 - 18:12 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT | | | I trust triumph techs about as far as i can throw em. I do most of my own work, but 3 times when they had my bike they left IMPORTANT bolts loose ! Once on my speemaster when they removed the front fender to replace it due to a showroom scratch on the original one before i took delivery. Left one side's top caliper bolt loose and the caliper fell off while riding. Second time, Tbird 500 mile service which i debated even doing but i figured WTH, new bike i figured I may as well in case theres a warranty issue. Got it back and found the axl pinch bolts finger turning loose. And finally, after a warranty replacement of the belt they left the rear axl bolt totally loose and i drove home 50 miles on the freeway like that and noticed it when i go home !!!
So take anything they say with a grain of salt.....no, make that a entire CARTON of salt. Because these guys are fucking clowns. I'm not a mechanic but you would NEVER in a million years see me make idiotic mistakes like that. I'd feel more confident watching chimps work on my bike.
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| | | davehumphrey | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/03/2018 | | Posts | : | 18 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 07 Apr 2018 - 05:43 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: daz) | | | I know what you mean but the local dealer to me.
We get on very well and sometimes go through things together in the workshop.
There head mechanic is very good and througher I have trust in him and had no complaints about there work and they have helped me out at times with info. +
I do most of my own work on all my vehicles because I am like you I do not trust anyone with making a repair.
I had my Patrol repaired under an insurance claim at a Nissan dealer about 4 years ago and yes I know where you are coming from!
They had to replace the front axle suspension parts after my SON "yes him" hit a bloody great rock and folded the wheel into the hub!
and bent a few parts just before I was going on holiday so had to delay the holiday for a couple of weeks.
I got the car back, hitched up the Trailer and away I go. 
Went to Ningaloo Station near Exmouth. Driving down a track and the steering went out and there was a clonking under the car. 
Had a look and they had not fitted the Large washer plate that stops the lower arm from going through the chassis support "DICK HEADS"  I was 155 km from the nearest town by road and over half of that was rough dirt! Plus No phone coverage. 
I had to find a boulder bury it in the sand to jack the car up! I was afraid to take the wheel off incase it fell off the jack. Anyway 6 hours later with Ltd tools. Using the winch on the front of the car I had to winch the axle forward so I could drop the suspension arm down because it was so tight on the axle I could not undo the bolts with what I had. Made a temporary repair and got going again.
Took it back to t
"So yeah trust no one with your repairs if you value your life""? 
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| | | Scoobersteve | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/08/2018 | | Posts | : | 15 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 03 Dec 2018 - 08:02 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davehumphrey) | | | Just been skimming through this thread. I have a 2014 LT and when fitting a rear tyre local dealer (now closed) noticed the cap missing ($92US) and the nut snapped off. God knows how long that had been like that. The tech also said in his opinion the torque setting was way too high in the manual. Lucky nothing happened and been all good ever since. Nut found missing at about 40k now have 90+k and all good.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 03 Dec 2018 - 10:14 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: Scoobersteve) | | | I scrolled through this tread, and I just realized that I never got an answer from Triumph.
I will try again.
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,524 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 29 Sep 2019 - 17:04 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT | | | When adjusting the swing arm cone, is it best to remove load bearing weight i.e. tire? Thnx
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 29 Sep 2019 - 19:53 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: AZCactus) | | | Does not matter, make no difference. You can leave all on.
Loosen the belt though is advised.
| Big Bird, Bordeaux with " Celtic theme " Airbrush, 2010, 1700CC, ABS, 65.000 km. Lowered with Nitros rear shocks, Linear front springs, Burchard forward footrest kit, Kuryakyn ISO grips, LOTS of chrome, SLcharger REV2+ tune, Modified Cee Baileys windshield, Oil pressure gauge, Air box elimination kit, Portet cylinderhead, Intake cam advanved 8 degree, Exhaust cam retarded 2 degree, 10.5 C/R, Knock sensor, Machined flywheel, DNA Chrome Spoke wheels, 18x8.5"- AVON AV72- 240/40/18, 21x3.5"- AVON AV71- 120/70/21, Corbin seat with backrest, 20W fork oil. Hiflo HF303RC oil filter, Penrite Racing 20-20W60 engine oil, Adjurl lights.
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,524 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 30 Sep 2019 - 01:49 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
Does not matter, make no difference. You can leave all on.
Loosen the belt though is advised. |
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Perfect, thnx.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Dec 2019 - 08:18 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: Slcharger) | | |
| | Post edited by davetac1 on 24 Dec 2019 - 08:21 |
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Dec 2019 - 08:19 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
Does not matter, make no difference. You can leave all on.
Loosen the belt though is advised.
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Correct!!! Dave!!
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| | | Linkdog | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,923 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Dec 2019 - 14:32 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: davetac1) | | | Another sort of related question, When adjusting the steering head bearings... is the bike off the ground with no weight or on the ground? I don't think the manual states which option.
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| | | fab | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 24 Dec 2019 - 20:41 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: Linkdog) | | |
Linkdog wrote:
Another sort of related question, When adjusting the steering head bearings... is the bike off the ground with no weight or on the ground? I don't think the manual states which option. |
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front wheel off the ground
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Remember, soft cocks hang around all life long, hard ones come and go
ahh f**k im deep
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| | | Linkdog | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,923 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Dec 2019 - 20:50 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: fab) | | | Thanks Fab
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 25 Dec 2019 - 02:29 Post title : Re: SWINGING ARM BOLT (Re: fab) | | |
fab wrote:
Linkdog wrote:
Another sort of related question, When adjusting the steering head bearings... is the bike off the ground with no weight or on the ground? I don't think the manual states which option. |
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You are absolutte right
Re Davetac 1
| Big Bird, Bordeaux with " Celtic theme " Airbrush, 2010, 1700CC, ABS, 65.000 km. Lowered with Nitros rear shocks, Linear front springs, Burchard forward footrest kit, Kuryakyn ISO grips, LOTS of chrome, SLcharger REV2+ tune, Modified Cee Baileys windshield, Oil pressure gauge, Air box elimination kit, Portet cylinderhead, Intake cam advanved 8 degree, Exhaust cam retarded 2 degree, 10.5 C/R, Knock sensor, Machined flywheel, DNA Chrome Spoke wheels, 18x8.5"- AVON AV72- 240/40/18, 21x3.5"- AVON AV71- 120/70/21, Corbin seat with backrest, 20W fork oil. Hiflo HF303RC oil filter, Penrite Racing 20-20W60 engine oil, Adjurl lights.
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